Comments on: Olivier Messiaen http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/ A Guide to Mestizo Shamanism in the Upper Amazon Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:33:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Bro. http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/comment-page-1/#comment-15950 Bro. Wed, 25 May 2011 23:17:54 +0000 http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/#comment-15950 Sounds a bit like some of the music in 2000 Motels by Frank Zappa.... Sounds a bit like some of the music in 2000 Motels by Frank Zappa….

]]> By: Steve Beyer http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/comment-page-1/#comment-395 Steve Beyer Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:16:00 +0000 http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/#comment-395 Thank you for this very interesting comment. I will be thinking about Messiaen in new and deeper ways. Thank you for this very interesting comment. I will be thinking about Messiaen in new and deeper ways.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/comment-page-1/#comment-394 Anonymous Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:14:00 +0000 http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/#comment-394 fantastic! it's the second time i join your blog, now finding your notes on O.M. (nice initials, right? i never realized this before...) as a musician/composer/pianist i am very deeply in touch with his music; it is a connection that raises rhythmically, often evoked by strong concert experiences. the last one was to listen a concert, where his orchestra piece "des canyons aux étoiles" ("from the canyons to the stars") was given (together with stockhausens incredible "gruppen") by berlin philharmonic orchestra with simon rattle. this was another a new messiaen to me again - very simpy structured, just long notes and chords played by the orchestra, as far as i remember it is meant to be played open air - the concert i experienced took place in an airplane hangar in berlin, anoher kind of "open air"...<br/>well this concert is half an year ago, but coming back to switzerland last week i read again the very carefully edited programm book. i was always attracted by messiaens - poetry, as i regard his introductions and thoughts on his music. and this time i was really paralized: i felt a very strong santo daime frequency in his pictures of god, eternity, nirwana - and, the connection with nature, the immense meaning of the bird's chant! although i know that he travelled a lot (the piece i mentioned is written during or after a visit to the u.s.a., might be especially interesting for you...) and that he obviously has a really transcendent visionary power of feeling and inventing sounds, i could never imagine him having had any ayahuasca experiences. i've to admit that i don't know the research of claudia müller-ebeling either, you mentioning her made me very curious of course. <br/>since i experienced the santo daime way as well as at least one and a half other - ancient original - ayahuasca traditions i am highly interested in the harmonic relationship between these lines, the "completeness" they can build together with each other, especially as experienced strong but different support by both of them <br/>(concerning health, heart, body and soul...)<br/>olivier messiaen seems to represent in the one hand a very intellectual european approach to god - the esprit francaise, a certain seriousity and christian monasteric nobleness. e.g. he put worth on declaring, that his music is not to be understood as mystic but as theological, a remark that astonished me deeply, but fits somehow into the whole story.<br/>on the other hand he has this very precious naiveness - in sense of being born as a child of god into this world, together with our relatives, the plants, the animals and, most relative to a composer, their singers, the birds - perhaps it's even better to call it "nativeness" than "naiveness" <br/>in this aspect O.M. perhaps gives an example of the ability of connecting these streams of light, which often seem far away from each other ( superficially regarded even excluding each other) - and evoked from this striking strong encounter: creating a really transcendent celestial cosmic chant of the human soul. singing to the birds!<br/>thank you so much for your hint, dear brother!<br/>much love and light, alex fantastic! it’s the second time i join your blog, now finding your notes on O.M. (nice initials, right? i never realized this before…) as a musician/composer/pianist i am very deeply in touch with his music; it is a connection that raises rhythmically, often evoked by strong concert experiences. the last one was to listen a concert, where his orchestra piece “des canyons aux étoiles” (”from the canyons to the stars”) was given (together with stockhausens incredible “gruppen”) by berlin philharmonic orchestra with simon rattle. this was another a new messiaen to me again – very simpy structured, just long notes and chords played by the orchestra, as far as i remember it is meant to be played open air – the concert i experienced took place in an airplane hangar in berlin, anoher kind of “open air”…
well this concert is half an year ago, but coming back to switzerland last week i read again the very carefully edited programm book. i was always attracted by messiaens – poetry, as i regard his introductions and thoughts on his music. and this time i was really paralized: i felt a very strong santo daime frequency in his pictures of god, eternity, nirwana – and, the connection with nature, the immense meaning of the bird’s chant! although i know that he travelled a lot (the piece i mentioned is written during or after a visit to the u.s.a., might be especially interesting for you…) and that he obviously has a really transcendent visionary power of feeling and inventing sounds, i could never imagine him having had any ayahuasca experiences. i’ve to admit that i don’t know the research of claudia müller-ebeling either, you mentioning her made me very curious of course.
since i experienced the santo daime way as well as at least one and a half other – ancient original – ayahuasca traditions i am highly interested in the harmonic relationship between these lines, the “completeness” they can build together with each other, especially as experienced strong but different support by both of them
(concerning health, heart, body and soul…)
olivier messiaen seems to represent in the one hand a very intellectual european approach to god – the esprit francaise, a certain seriousity and christian monasteric nobleness. e.g. he put worth on declaring, that his music is not to be understood as mystic but as theological, a remark that astonished me deeply, but fits somehow into the whole story.
on the other hand he has this very precious naiveness – in sense of being born as a child of god into this world, together with our relatives, the plants, the animals and, most relative to a composer, their singers, the birds – perhaps it’s even better to call it “nativeness” than “naiveness”
in this aspect O.M. perhaps gives an example of the ability of connecting these streams of light, which often seem far away from each other ( superficially regarded even excluding each other) – and evoked from this striking strong encounter: creating a really transcendent celestial cosmic chant of the human soul. singing to the birds!
thank you so much for your hint, dear brother!
much love and light, alex

]]> By: Steve Beyer http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Steve Beyer Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:31:00 +0000 http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/#comment-273 Thank you for that really interesting information. I would guess that synesthesia — like auditory and visual hallucinations — is actually much more widespread than usually reported, because people with these experiences are afraid that they they will be considered strange or even crazy. <br/><br/>Of course, that has never worried me. :-) Thank you for that really interesting information. I would guess that synesthesia — like auditory and visual hallucinations — is actually much more widespread than usually reported, because people with these experiences are afraid that they they will be considered strange or even crazy.

Of course, that has never worried me. :-)

]]> By: Fred Smith http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Fred Smith Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:21:00 +0000 http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/#comment-272 An aunt of mine who died a few years ago was one of the world's great pianists, Professor at Juilliard, composer, soloist, etc. She let slip one day that musical notes had specific colors. “These are colors the sounds told me,” she said. I will not list them all here, but, to give two of them, E flat was sky blue and A was yellow. She said two other composers she knew of also saw the colors of notes, Eric Satie and Scriabin. she did not mention Messaien, but here is further confirmation of the "life" in music. An aunt of mine who died a few years ago was one of the world’s great pianists, Professor at Juilliard, composer, soloist, etc. She let slip one day that musical notes had specific colors. “These are colors the sounds told me,” she said. I will not list them all here, but, to give two of them, E flat was sky blue and A was yellow. She said two other composers she knew of also saw the colors of notes, Eric Satie and Scriabin. she did not mention Messaien, but here is further confirmation of the “life” in music.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Anonymous Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:12:00 +0000 http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/olivier-messiaen/#comment-16 I was told that all medicines and helpers come singing and dancing. I was told that all medicines and helpers come singing and dancing.

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