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	<description>A Guide to Mestizo Shamanism in the Upper Amazon</description>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/02/ayahuasca-mainstreamed/comment-page-1/#comment-29775</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what anyone gets for seeking truth in that way.  The truth is in the journey and it&#039;s nice that men like him provide a space to do it, whether or not he is delusional or not.  Some people want to have their hands held in such a process as it&#039;s not easy to brew ayahuasca at home either and people like to trip out in certain open areas provided to them.  He speaks subjective truths and you have to appreciate the poetics of what people speak without taking it to heart.  Like why talk about truth when someone is using such flagrant words like...temple of the condor or whatever the heck?  Let your imagination run just as his have.  So long as no one is actually hurt in the process.  Is there evidence of that?  Tell me, and I will have actual concern.  Use the space and medicine for what it is good for, go and understand your own journey.  I wonder if it is true that he discredits those around him because that&#039;s where I can see an actual interference that would cause a bad trip.  But do not seek the truth in HIM, seek the truth in the process, the journey.  You all are talking like you&#039;ve never been on a damn trip before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what anyone gets for seeking truth in that way.  The truth is in the journey and it&#8217;s nice that men like him provide a space to do it, whether or not he is delusional or not.  Some people want to have their hands held in such a process as it&#8217;s not easy to brew ayahuasca at home either and people like to trip out in certain open areas provided to them.  He speaks subjective truths and you have to appreciate the poetics of what people speak without taking it to heart.  Like why talk about truth when someone is using such flagrant words like&#8230;temple of the condor or whatever the heck?  Let your imagination run just as his have.  So long as no one is actually hurt in the process.  Is there evidence of that?  Tell me, and I will have actual concern.  Use the space and medicine for what it is good for, go and understand your own journey.  I wonder if it is true that he discredits those around him because that&#8217;s where I can see an actual interference that would cause a bad trip.  But do not seek the truth in HIM, seek the truth in the process, the journey.  You all are talking like you&#8217;ve never been on a damn trip before.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Pickrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Pickrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 04:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having sat with Francis for around 8 months (number of times per month varied, but usually twice per month) while he was in Austin for about a year, I can say that the ceremonies were always incredibly humbling.  The symbols, the altar, the medicine (I helped pound the vine on occasion), and the raw force that went into organizing everything cemented his legitimacy as a healer in his own right.  

Getting bogged down in his pedigree is perhaps a distraction, as once you seal the pact with the mother by drinking her divine essence all bets are off and any negative side effects or gnostic revelations are brought about by you alone.  All men like Francis can really do is provide a space of non judgement, and peace.  Some healers may develop the ritual into something more, but this is the service I felt Francis provided to me, and many others.

Is it safe to say the man in ceremony is slightly different than the man outside of ceremony?

Did Francis make many claims that I personally did not for a second believe?  Yes, but I myself can make many spiritual claims that will produce nothing but the most scathing criticism from any reasonable observer.  Obviously, I&#039;m not asking anyone to believe anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having sat with Francis for around 8 months (number of times per month varied, but usually twice per month) while he was in Austin for about a year, I can say that the ceremonies were always incredibly humbling.  The symbols, the altar, the medicine (I helped pound the vine on occasion), and the raw force that went into organizing everything cemented his legitimacy as a healer in his own right.  </p>
<p>Getting bogged down in his pedigree is perhaps a distraction, as once you seal the pact with the mother by drinking her divine essence all bets are off and any negative side effects or gnostic revelations are brought about by you alone.  All men like Francis can really do is provide a space of non judgement, and peace.  Some healers may develop the ritual into something more, but this is the service I felt Francis provided to me, and many others.</p>
<p>Is it safe to say the man in ceremony is slightly different than the man outside of ceremony?</p>
<p>Did Francis make many claims that I personally did not for a second believe?  Yes, but I myself can make many spiritual claims that will produce nothing but the most scathing criticism from any reasonable observer.  Obviously, I&#8217;m not asking anyone to believe anything.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 03:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such wisdom in this Steve. Do not cry to God of thirst and hunger asking to be brought drink and nourishment, you must travel to the source and humbly take what is yours a path made of toil and dedication, love and duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such wisdom in this Steve. Do not cry to God of thirst and hunger asking to be brought drink and nourishment, you must travel to the source and humbly take what is yours a path made of toil and dedication, love and duty.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Walton</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/02/ayahuasca-mainstreamed/comment-page-1/#comment-16018</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 16:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps you will be a healer in a way completely different from what you expect. Perhaps they will heal you, or perhaps you will be a healer who is himself wounded or broken. Put aside expectations. Pray with an open heart; weep for your vision.&quot;

Ok, you just won me. I love you Steve. Keep keepin on! I hope to meet face to face :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps you will be a healer in a way completely different from what you expect. Perhaps they will heal you, or perhaps you will be a healer who is himself wounded or broken. Put aside expectations. Pray with an open heart; weep for your vision.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, you just won me. I love you Steve. Keep keepin on! I hope to meet face to face :)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 16:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your Work Steve, and your passion to ensure those who serve the Tea are coming from their hearts and not profiting, but rather giving back to the communities they learn from. Aho!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your Work Steve, and your passion to ensure those who serve the Tea are coming from their hearts and not profiting, but rather giving back to the communities they learn from. Aho!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am far from being in a position to give advice to anyone. But here is what I think: 

You cannot be a day tripper in the realm of the spirits. Every approach you make to the spirits entails reciprocal obligations. What those obligations are is a matter between you and the spirits, but at the very least they require gratitude and humility. 

You cannot just go to the spirits and expect them to give you what you want. They may well have other plans for you. In fact, rather than asking -- or, as some people do, demanding -- that they heal you, or transform you, or make you into someone else, just pour out your heart to them in prayer. Do not go to them with requests or demands or even expectations. Tell them what you need; tell them what you fear; tell them what you regret. Speak to them honestly from your heart, and then listen to their response devoutly with your heart. 

The spirits want you to be a human being, in right relationship with all persons, both human and other-then-human. Allow them to show you how. Do not block them by telling them to heal you or turn you into a healer. Perhaps you will be a healer in a way completely different from what you expect. Perhaps they will heal you, or perhaps you will be a healer who is himself wounded or broken. Put aside expectations. Pray with an open heart; weep for your vision.

If you must ask for something, ask them to be your teachers. Ask them to give you a gift, not for yourself but for your people.

At least that is what I have tried to do, with little success, often requiring the spirits to teach me humility with a two-by-four. :-)  Your mileage may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am far from being in a position to give advice to anyone. But here is what I think: </p>
<p>You cannot be a day tripper in the realm of the spirits. Every approach you make to the spirits entails reciprocal obligations. What those obligations are is a matter between you and the spirits, but at the very least they require gratitude and humility. </p>
<p>You cannot just go to the spirits and expect them to give you what you want. They may well have other plans for you. In fact, rather than asking &#8212; or, as some people do, demanding &#8212; that they heal you, or transform you, or make you into someone else, just pour out your heart to them in prayer. Do not go to them with requests or demands or even expectations. Tell them what you need; tell them what you fear; tell them what you regret. Speak to them honestly from your heart, and then listen to their response devoutly with your heart. </p>
<p>The spirits want you to be a human being, in right relationship with all persons, both human and other-then-human. Allow them to show you how. Do not block them by telling them to heal you or turn you into a healer. Perhaps you will be a healer in a way completely different from what you expect. Perhaps they will heal you, or perhaps you will be a healer who is himself wounded or broken. Put aside expectations. Pray with an open heart; weep for your vision.</p>
<p>If you must ask for something, ask them to be your teachers. Ask them to give you a gift, not for yourself but for your people.</p>
<p>At least that is what I have tried to do, with little success, often requiring the spirits to teach me humility with a two-by-four. :-)  Your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if Steve could give his take on what the appropriate involvement of a &quot;gringo&quot; should be who is interested in being involved in ceremonies for personal healing and for possibly learning to use in healing others, in the states and in the Amazon.

Thanks so much for your great work and energy.

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if Steve could give his take on what the appropriate involvement of a &#8220;gringo&#8221; should be who is interested in being involved in ceremonies for personal healing and for possibly learning to use in healing others, in the states and in the Amazon.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your great work and energy.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don&#039;t need to follow me
You don&#039;t need to follow ANYBODY&quot;
-Life of Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You don&#8217;t need to follow me<br />
You don&#8217;t need to follow ANYBODY&#8221;<br />
-Life of Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Francis was much hotter before he took on the pretension of the head wrap. He is just an ordinary secular man, like the rest of us. He holds no holy secrets. Anyone who thinks he does should take a break from the hallucinogens and read the histories of previous &quot;gurus&quot; (none are angels).

&quot;He is an Elk Dreamer and Keeper of the Fire of Quetzalcoatl, and he has been initiated into the Khemetic Mysteries of Egypt, the Tibetan Buddhist path of Dzogchen, the Gnostic Mysteries of the Rosicrucians, the Yucatec Mayan path of Puts’yaj, and the Yoruba Ifa path of Nigeria as a Babalao.&quot;

Yeah, I knew him. All I can say to this passage is CITATION NEEDED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Francis was much hotter before he took on the pretension of the head wrap. He is just an ordinary secular man, like the rest of us. He holds no holy secrets. Anyone who thinks he does should take a break from the hallucinogens and read the histories of previous &#8220;gurus&#8221; (none are angels).</p>
<p>&#8220;He is an Elk Dreamer and Keeper of the Fire of Quetzalcoatl, and he has been initiated into the Khemetic Mysteries of Egypt, the Tibetan Buddhist path of Dzogchen, the Gnostic Mysteries of the Rosicrucians, the Yucatec Mayan path of Puts’yaj, and the Yoruba Ifa path of Nigeria as a Babalao.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I knew him. All I can say to this passage is CITATION NEEDED.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not offer ayahuasca sessions of any sort, and I have not in the past. I am not qualified. 

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you will join a church in order to drink ayahuasca, regardless of whether you share its beliefs, support its mission, or acknowledge its hierarchy. If I have that wrong, I would be happy to be corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not offer ayahuasca sessions of any sort, and I have not in the past. I am not qualified. </p>
<p>If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you will join a church in order to drink ayahuasca, regardless of whether you share its beliefs, support its mission, or acknowledge its hierarchy. If I have that wrong, I would be happy to be corrected.</p>
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