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	<description>A Guide to Mestizo Shamanism in the Upper Amazon</description>
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		<title>By: PEDRO CAMPOS</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/04/how-became-sorcerer/comment-page-1/#comment-23206</link>
		<dc:creator>PEDRO CAMPOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUENAS TARDE,
QUE SE DEBE HACER PARA LLEGAR AL EQUILIBRIO ESPIRITUAL; SI ME HAN HECHO DAÑO (BRUJERÍA), QUE TENDRÍA QUE HACER PARA LOGRAR DICHO EQUILIBRIO. 
SALUDOS,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUENAS TARDE,<br />
QUE SE DEBE HACER PARA LLEGAR AL EQUILIBRIO ESPIRITUAL; SI ME HAN HECHO DAÑO (BRUJERÍA), QUE TENDRÍA QUE HACER PARA LOGRAR DICHO EQUILIBRIO.<br />
SALUDOS,</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/04/how-became-sorcerer/comment-page-1/#comment-6681</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ordinary nobody whose heart was touched by Ayahuasca I appreciate your words.
In the past 3 years I have found myself in the jungle or rather, I am looking to find myself through the jungle.

Thanks for the Blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ordinary nobody whose heart was touched by Ayahuasca I appreciate your words.<br />
In the past 3 years I have found myself in the jungle or rather, I am looking to find myself through the jungle.</p>
<p>Thanks for the Blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/04/how-became-sorcerer/comment-page-1/#comment-3144</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s is all about: ...First, there really is no going back. Once you walk through the door into the realm of the spirits, you cannot return to any prior state of innocence....this is the same that the Wise King said in Eclesiastes ... the more you know more  increase the sentence...

That the good god help us.
Thank you for singing to plants</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s is all about: &#8230;First, there really is no going back. Once you walk through the door into the realm of the spirits, you cannot return to any prior state of innocence&#8230;.this is the same that the Wise King said in Eclesiastes &#8230; the more you know more  increase the sentence&#8230;</p>
<p>That the good god help us.<br />
Thank you for singing to plants</p>
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		<title>By: leever</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason the flies went all the way around to the door was because they were my flies and that&#039;s what I would have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason the flies went all the way around to the door was because they were my flies and that&#8217;s what I would have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Beyer</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/04/how-became-sorcerer/comment-page-1/#comment-2245</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that absolutely wonderful story!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that absolutely wonderful story!</p>
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		<title>By: leever</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments above called to mind a little something happened to me on dieta about three years back. It was the fourth out of 5 ayahuasca ceremonies spread over 10 days at a remote Amazonia jungle camp. One of the characteristics of this particular form of dieta was that we were instructed to keep to ourselves for the most part, to process what we were experiencing over the days, individually in solitude. In this light, the individual I refer to here had been only peripherally known to me up until the day I found myself seated next to him in ceremony. It was a daytime ceremony. The most noticeable thing about him prior to that was his attire, which was a jury-rigged affair suggestive of a beekeepers outfit, and his demeanor which was… well, uptight. I had thought without even actually forming the thought, that the guy suffered from some kind of a bug phobia, and maybe an asocial sort of pathology as well. Neither I nor anyone else in the group was dressing in that way or complaining particularly with regard to bugs, and no one was using insect repellant either for, along with shampoo, toothpaste, deodorant and any other non-jungle chemical type smells, it was, like socializing, prohibited in the prescribed tenants of the dieta. And the fact also had come to light over the week that our shaman had chosen this particular section of jungle to make a camp specifically, because it was so remarkably bug friendly for humans.

Now, please excuse me being so long winded, this is what happened: David was the guy’s name, and right from the gitgo he was having an awful time, squirming, gasping, writhing, cursing, slapping, groaning, scratching and continually deep sighing his way through ceremony. Sitting next to him, at first I felt sorry for him. But long about 3 hours into it, I started to get pissed, at the disturbance he was. And once that got ahold on me, it was very difficult to think of anything else. Basically, by the time it came to a head, I wanted to just jump up and stand over him and cuff him, right to left and left to right… , and scream, “You’re bringing this on yourself you idiot, you’re creating the whole thing, if it wasn’t for you and your fucking bug phobia, there wouldn’t be any bug problem anywhere near here… !” 

Well, can’t do that. But there I am getting myself all worked up, thinking I’m going to have to do something, to say something, to the point where I’m about to get up. But precisely and exactly at that very instant, my body is suddenly alarmed at the approach of, of, of… bugs. I feel them first, behind me, and I turn and then I see them, a gray blur of a ball, moving with good speed, and intent I might add, along outside the malloca. The malloca is open air, by the way, no screens or windows or anything, just a floor below and a peaked roof above, and posts and beams all around.  Which is funny because the blur/ball of bugs goes halfway around the building for no reason whatsoever to get to the entrance, turns and comes in, and just as I knew it would, (just as I fuckin knew they would!), comes straight over to me. They are gnarly little black flies with strong exoskeletons and absolutely no fear. They fly up my nose in an instant, a bunch of them into each nostril like teams, buzzing and bumbling and bustleing and driving upwards like mad, with more muscle to their wingbeats than you could ever ever believe. Another ten or so went on into my mouth. When I pursed my lips to sputter the last two out that had not quite made it in, that had been caught between my lips, they beat their wings so hard they drove my lips apart. The other ones inside threw themselves hard against the sides of my mouth and teeth, and thumped their little bodies one against one another and buzzed with such a intensity, I could hear it loud inside my brain.

I was freaked, as you can imagine.

There’s a part of me wanted to jump up and cry out for help and slap at these little buggers and stagger around the room I suppose. But something in me knew. “No wait wait wait. Wait!” Relax, surrender, be calm. Calmate.  From the moment I’d been about to jump up and start bitch slapping David, to sensing the flies, to having them swarm and invade me, I don’t believe I had moved an iota. And with an act of will I am immensely proud of to this day, I calmed myself entirely before I ever moved, and as soon as I did that, the flies quit their aggressive incessant buzzing, exited my body, and drifted off. Like, no big deal, or like they’d never been, it had never happened. But they were/had! And without a doubt I got my lesson about getting all irked by David’s problem loud and clear. And that’s it. What we bring with us to this work has a great deal to do with what the medicine has to work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments above called to mind a little something happened to me on dieta about three years back. It was the fourth out of 5 ayahuasca ceremonies spread over 10 days at a remote Amazonia jungle camp. One of the characteristics of this particular form of dieta was that we were instructed to keep to ourselves for the most part, to process what we were experiencing over the days, individually in solitude. In this light, the individual I refer to here had been only peripherally known to me up until the day I found myself seated next to him in ceremony. It was a daytime ceremony. The most noticeable thing about him prior to that was his attire, which was a jury-rigged affair suggestive of a beekeepers outfit, and his demeanor which was… well, uptight. I had thought without even actually forming the thought, that the guy suffered from some kind of a bug phobia, and maybe an asocial sort of pathology as well. Neither I nor anyone else in the group was dressing in that way or complaining particularly with regard to bugs, and no one was using insect repellant either for, along with shampoo, toothpaste, deodorant and any other non-jungle chemical type smells, it was, like socializing, prohibited in the prescribed tenants of the dieta. And the fact also had come to light over the week that our shaman had chosen this particular section of jungle to make a camp specifically, because it was so remarkably bug friendly for humans.</p>
<p>Now, please excuse me being so long winded, this is what happened: David was the guy’s name, and right from the gitgo he was having an awful time, squirming, gasping, writhing, cursing, slapping, groaning, scratching and continually deep sighing his way through ceremony. Sitting next to him, at first I felt sorry for him. But long about 3 hours into it, I started to get pissed, at the disturbance he was. And once that got ahold on me, it was very difficult to think of anything else. Basically, by the time it came to a head, I wanted to just jump up and stand over him and cuff him, right to left and left to right… , and scream, “You’re bringing this on yourself you idiot, you’re creating the whole thing, if it wasn’t for you and your fucking bug phobia, there wouldn’t be any bug problem anywhere near here… !” </p>
<p>Well, can’t do that. But there I am getting myself all worked up, thinking I’m going to have to do something, to say something, to the point where I’m about to get up. But precisely and exactly at that very instant, my body is suddenly alarmed at the approach of, of, of… bugs. I feel them first, behind me, and I turn and then I see them, a gray blur of a ball, moving with good speed, and intent I might add, along outside the malloca. The malloca is open air, by the way, no screens or windows or anything, just a floor below and a peaked roof above, and posts and beams all around.  Which is funny because the blur/ball of bugs goes halfway around the building for no reason whatsoever to get to the entrance, turns and comes in, and just as I knew it would, (just as I fuckin knew they would!), comes straight over to me. They are gnarly little black flies with strong exoskeletons and absolutely no fear. They fly up my nose in an instant, a bunch of them into each nostril like teams, buzzing and bumbling and bustleing and driving upwards like mad, with more muscle to their wingbeats than you could ever ever believe. Another ten or so went on into my mouth. When I pursed my lips to sputter the last two out that had not quite made it in, that had been caught between my lips, they beat their wings so hard they drove my lips apart. The other ones inside threw themselves hard against the sides of my mouth and teeth, and thumped their little bodies one against one another and buzzed with such a intensity, I could hear it loud inside my brain.</p>
<p>I was freaked, as you can imagine.</p>
<p>There’s a part of me wanted to jump up and cry out for help and slap at these little buggers and stagger around the room I suppose. But something in me knew. “No wait wait wait. Wait!” Relax, surrender, be calm. Calmate.  From the moment I’d been about to jump up and start bitch slapping David, to sensing the flies, to having them swarm and invade me, I don’t believe I had moved an iota. And with an act of will I am immensely proud of to this day, I calmed myself entirely before I ever moved, and as soon as I did that, the flies quit their aggressive incessant buzzing, exited my body, and drifted off. Like, no big deal, or like they’d never been, it had never happened. But they were/had! And without a doubt I got my lesson about getting all irked by David’s problem loud and clear. And that’s it. What we bring with us to this work has a great deal to do with what the medicine has to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: Wahid Azal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wahid Azal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Steve,

That was a great blog on a subject very close to home!

All of these issues you articulate about sorcery in Amazonia are, mutatis mutandis, relevent to all magical cultures in one form or another. Where you say,

&quot;once you begin la dieta, once you drink ayahuasca, once you begin to form relations of confianza with the healing plants, the world becomes a more dangerous place&quot;

Can be applied to all bona fide initiatic paths the world over. It is interesting I came across this blog today because I just got finished saying the identically same thing to someone else in a different context, which I posted here:
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=176673#176673

That said, the question is where and what is the fine line between righteous indignation and anger? Every great initiatic Tradition speaks of elminating anger for precisely the reasons you outlined yet we have innumerable examples of Masters and adepts engaging in situations of righteous indignation that end up in some way rectifying situations that could&#039;ve gone bad or had in fact gone bad. Think of Buddhist monks protesting in Tibet against Chinese rule or the ones setting themselves alight during Vietnam. There is also a great metaphoric story  in the Qur&#039;an&#039;s surah of the Cave about the Prophet Khidr and Moses in that vein. Kabbalistic lore in Judaism is also chock full of these sorts of stories. 

It&#039;s an interesting question, all the same, and an even more interesting Reality we all live in as a result. My teacher once said to me, &quot;Non-initiates are lucky in many ways. We initiates hold much bigger responsibilities to the world, nay to the whole of existence, on all levels than those who aren&#039;t. Always remember that and you&#039;ll be ok!&quot;

Ya NUR
Wahid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Steve,</p>
<p>That was a great blog on a subject very close to home!</p>
<p>All of these issues you articulate about sorcery in Amazonia are, mutatis mutandis, relevent to all magical cultures in one form or another. Where you say,</p>
<p>&#8220;once you begin la dieta, once you drink ayahuasca, once you begin to form relations of confianza with the healing plants, the world becomes a more dangerous place&#8221;</p>
<p>Can be applied to all bona fide initiatic paths the world over. It is interesting I came across this blog today because I just got finished saying the identically same thing to someone else in a different context, which I posted here:<br />
<a href="http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=176673#176673" rel="nofollow">http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=176673#176673</a></p>
<p>That said, the question is where and what is the fine line between righteous indignation and anger? Every great initiatic Tradition speaks of elminating anger for precisely the reasons you outlined yet we have innumerable examples of Masters and adepts engaging in situations of righteous indignation that end up in some way rectifying situations that could&#8217;ve gone bad or had in fact gone bad. Think of Buddhist monks protesting in Tibet against Chinese rule or the ones setting themselves alight during Vietnam. There is also a great metaphoric story  in the Qur&#8217;an&#8217;s surah of the Cave about the Prophet Khidr and Moses in that vein. Kabbalistic lore in Judaism is also chock full of these sorts of stories. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting question, all the same, and an even more interesting Reality we all live in as a result. My teacher once said to me, &#8220;Non-initiates are lucky in many ways. We initiates hold much bigger responsibilities to the world, nay to the whole of existence, on all levels than those who aren&#8217;t. Always remember that and you&#8217;ll be ok!&#8221;</p>
<p>Ya NUR<br />
Wahid</p>
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		<title>By: Downwardsfromzero</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/04/how-became-sorcerer/comment-page-1/#comment-632</link>
		<dc:creator>Downwardsfromzero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating article, Steve. I treat it as a cautionary tale.

“Now, was there any connection between my spider and his wife’s illness? Of course not.” I get the feeling that the positive was implied through the use of the negative here (for the benefit of those unaccustomed to this form of thinking...)

How fortunate it makes me feel to have found your website. I shall visit again.

&lt;=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article, Steve. I treat it as a cautionary tale.</p>
<p>“Now, was there any connection between my spider and his wife’s illness? Of course not.” I get the feeling that the positive was implied through the use of the negative here (for the benefit of those unaccustomed to this form of thinking&#8230;)</p>
<p>How fortunate it makes me feel to have found your website. I shall visit again.</p>
<p>&lt;=0</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now, was there any connection between my spider and his wife’s illness? Of course not.&quot;   Big assumption
 &#039;The spider touched him, not his wife.&#039; You assum this precludes affecting his wife, why?
&#039;And the recurrence must have taken place before the spider left my mouth; certainly sorcery cannot be temporally retroactive.&#039;
Please give evidenence of you views this is in no way or form a certainty. Is this just a dangorous blind assumption made to ease your guilt?

 &#039;Of course there was no connection.&#039; Did you ask &#039;maestro ayahuasquero don Roberto Acho&#039; about this incident?  I would be interested to hear his reasction directy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now, was there any connection between my spider and his wife’s illness? Of course not.&#8221;   Big assumption<br />
 &#8216;The spider touched him, not his wife.&#8217; You assum this precludes affecting his wife, why?<br />
&#8216;And the recurrence must have taken place before the spider left my mouth; certainly sorcery cannot be temporally retroactive.&#8217;<br />
Please give evidenence of you views this is in no way or form a certainty. Is this just a dangorous blind assumption made to ease your guilt?</p>
<p> &#8216;Of course there was no connection.&#8217; Did you ask &#8216;maestro ayahuasquero don Roberto Acho&#8217; about this incident?  I would be interested to hear his reasction directy?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Steve. We connected a few weeks ago on ayahuasca.com &amp; on fb. This sorcery business is a concern of mine as ayahuasca spreads beyond the forest. Where I was in Ecuador, there is still a lively tradition of killing people on the basis of their being witches. The most recent killing was in 2004. In Europe and North America, we&#039;ve had such a nice run of (a) not believing in witchcraft, and (b) not killing &quot;witches&quot;.... Is that all going to come back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Steve. We connected a few weeks ago on ayahuasca.com &amp; on fb. This sorcery business is a concern of mine as ayahuasca spreads beyond the forest. Where I was in Ecuador, there is still a lively tradition of killing people on the basis of their being witches. The most recent killing was in 2004. In Europe and North America, we&#8217;ve had such a nice run of (a) not believing in witchcraft, and (b) not killing &#8220;witches&#8221;&#8230;. Is that all going to come back?</p>
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