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		<title>By: Silinus Vers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silinus Vers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 07:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the government claims that we are a secular country, separate from religion, then by what right do they have to tell any of us what religion is, unless they are willing to admit that we are not a secular country. 

they either have to allow we humans, born on this rock we call the N American continent, to believe in what we wish as which would be a freedom of religion. 
or they have to admit that they are governing religion as they see fit, breaking the u s constitution upon which our country is founded, and there discriminating what religions they will have and what they wont.
 and we really are a country run by spiritually fascist regime bent on making sure none of us acts in any way they dont want us too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the government claims that we are a secular country, separate from religion, then by what right do they have to tell any of us what religion is, unless they are willing to admit that we are not a secular country. </p>
<p>they either have to allow we humans, born on this rock we call the N American continent, to believe in what we wish as which would be a freedom of religion.<br />
or they have to admit that they are governing religion as they see fit, breaking the u s constitution upon which our country is founded, and there discriminating what religions they will have and what they wont.<br />
 and we really are a country run by spiritually fascist regime bent on making sure none of us acts in any way they dont want us too.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/05/more-legal-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An answer to my own question, from &quot;Religious Freedom and United States Drug Laws: Notes on the UDV-USA Legal Case&quot; by Matthew D. Meyer, pages 19-20 and footnote 23, also available on the NEIP website at &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.neip.info/downloads/Matthew%20UDV-USA%20case.pdf&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;&gt;The UDV also attacked the government’s argument that hoasca was controlled by the 1971 Convention. They introduced a letter from Herbert Schaepe, Secretary of the International Narcotics Control Board, the group responsible for enforcement of the Convention, stating explicitly that ayahuasca (hoasca) was “not under international control and, therefore, not subject to any of the articles of the 1971 Convention”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This letter was requested by the Dutch Ministry of Public Health in 2001 to aid in evaluating a legal case then going on in the Netherlands involving Santo Daime, the other major Brazilian church that uses a sacrament made from Banisteriopsis and Psychotria viridis. The relevant paragraph reads in full: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“No plants (natural materials) containing DMT are at present controlled under the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances. Consequently, preparations (e.g., decoctions) made of these plants, including ayahuasca are not under international control and, therefore, not subject to any of the articles of the 1971 Convention.” &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The UDV attempted to enter this letter into the record at the evidentiary hearing in October-November 2001, but the government objected and Judge Parker forbade it, as pertaining to a topic outside the scope of the hearing (see 10th Circuit en banc rehearing, opinion of McConnell, p. 28).&lt;&lt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The conclusion of Mr. Meyer&#039;s paper nicely articulates the cultural tensions between the idea of ingesting &quot;drugs&quot; for religious purposes and the largely Protestant historical underpinnings of drug prohibition in the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An answer to my own question, from &#8220;Religious Freedom and United States Drug Laws: Notes on the UDV-USA Legal Case&#8221; by Matthew D. Meyer, pages 19-20 and footnote 23, also available on the NEIP website at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.neip.info/downloads/Matthew%20UDV-USA%20case.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.neip.info/downloads/Matthew%20UDV-USA%20case.pdf</a></p>
<p>>>The UDV also attacked the government’s argument that hoasca was controlled by the 1971 Convention. They introduced a letter from Herbert Schaepe, Secretary of the International Narcotics Control Board, the group responsible for enforcement of the Convention, stating explicitly that ayahuasca (hoasca) was “not under international control and, therefore, not subject to any of the articles of the 1971 Convention”</p>
<p>This letter was requested by the Dutch Ministry of Public Health in 2001 to aid in evaluating a legal case then going on in the Netherlands involving Santo Daime, the other major Brazilian church that uses a sacrament made from Banisteriopsis and Psychotria viridis. The relevant paragraph reads in full: </p>
<p>“No plants (natural materials) containing DMT are at present controlled under the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances. Consequently, preparations (e.g., decoctions) made of these plants, including ayahuasca are not under international control and, therefore, not subject to any of the articles of the 1971 Convention.” </p>
<p>The UDV attempted to enter this letter into the record at the evidentiary hearing in October-November 2001, but the government objected and Judge Parker forbade it, as pertaining to a topic outside the scope of the hearing (see 10th Circuit en banc rehearing, opinion of McConnell, p. 28).< <<br/><br />The conclusion of Mr. Meyer&#8217;s paper nicely articulates the cultural tensions between the idea of ingesting &#8220;drugs&#8221; for religious purposes and the largely Protestant historical underpinnings of drug prohibition in the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for all the research and work that obviously went into this post.  You state at the end that you would not bet your liberty on the legal outcome.  That&#039;s understandable.  For seekers in the US, the question becomes what is the risk of liberty compared with the risk of spiritual development or spiritual stagnation.  It is a very hard question to answer.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regardless, I would like to have some one explain to me the &quot;compelling state interest in applying the Controlled Substances Act&quot; to such seekers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for all the research and work that obviously went into this post.  You state at the end that you would not bet your liberty on the legal outcome.  That&#8217;s understandable.  For seekers in the US, the question becomes what is the risk of liberty compared with the risk of spiritual development or spiritual stagnation.  It is a very hard question to answer.</p>
<p>Regardless, I would like to have some one explain to me the &#8220;compelling state interest in applying the Controlled Substances Act&#8221; to such seekers.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for these precisions, and thank you for emphasizing the current state of flux of the situation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In view of the information you provide on article 32(4) -- that Brazil never claimed an exception for religious groups -- do you know what was the exact argument contained in the 2001 fax from the International Narcotics Control Board to the Dutch Justice Minister that allegedly tilted the scale in favor of the Santo Daime in the Netherlands?  Or could that too be an urban (shamanic) legend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for these precisions, and thank you for emphasizing the current state of flux of the situation.</p>
<p>In view of the information you provide on article 32(4) &#8212; that Brazil never claimed an exception for religious groups &#8212; do you know what was the exact argument contained in the 2001 fax from the International Narcotics Control Board to the Dutch Justice Minister that allegedly tilted the scale in favor of the Santo Daime in the Netherlands?  Or could that too be an urban (shamanic) legend?</p>
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